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		<title>By: Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Christianity Verses Marxism</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-2770</link>
		<author>Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Christianity Verses Marxism</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you are talking about a move towards the Marxist vision for the world.  It has been stated here that this was part of our system from the foundation.  When the government [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Corporate Welfare Stems from Crony Capitalism and Too Much Money</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-2748</link>
		<author>Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Corporate Welfare Stems from Crony Capitalism and Too Much Money</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote in this series about the symbiotic relationship between big government and big business.  While David does not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Big Oil, Big Government, Big Profits, Big Contributions, and Big Tax Cuts</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1998</link>
		<author>Vaughnshire Farm &#187; Big Oil, Big Government, Big Profits, Big Contributions, and Big Tax Cuts</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about the unbiblical nature of corporations here and their relationship with the government here, but the oil &#38; fuel crisis further solidifies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] talked about the unbiblical nature of corporations here and their relationship with the government here, but the oil &amp; fuel crisis further solidifies [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Vaughnshire Farm &#187; The Milk Nazis Are Coming&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1980</link>
		<author>Vaughnshire Farm &#187; The Milk Nazis Are Coming&#8230;</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could this be an example of the symbiotic relationship between big government and big business?   Who asked for these laws on pasteurization?  Why do they only pick on dairy producers?  How [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PaulTN</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1844</link>
		<author>PaulTN</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1844</guid>
		<description>Randall,

The brilliance of God's created order is that tyrannies and injustices are limited to the family in which they take place.  We will never have a perfect Garden of Eden here on Earth prior to the return of Christ.  So there will be tyranny and injustice.

But the good news is, you can keep us from being a nation where "every man does right in his own eyes."  Each man is responsible before God for his actions and will be judged for them.  As the leader of the family acts so his family reaps the rewards or punishments.  There is nothing on this Earth that can force an evil man to do good.  That is why God instituted civil government, "to punish evil doers".

At the end of the day it is only God's grace that strengthens us to follow his commands.  But the distinction here is first that his grace is extended to people, not corporations; and secondly, as heads of our families we have a vested interest in obeying the word of God to bring blessings upon our family, corporations do not.

I hope that helps.  I think you’ll find more in the remaining posts as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall,</p>
<p>The brilliance of God&#8217;s created order is that tyrannies and injustices are limited to the family in which they take place.  We will never have a perfect Garden of Eden here on Earth prior to the return of Christ.  So there will be tyranny and injustice.</p>
<p>But the good news is, you can keep us from being a nation where &#8220;every man does right in his own eyes.&#8221;  Each man is responsible before God for his actions and will be judged for them.  As the leader of the family acts so his family reaps the rewards or punishments.  There is nothing on this Earth that can force an evil man to do good.  That is why God instituted civil government, &#8220;to punish evil doers&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the end of the day it is only God&#8217;s grace that strengthens us to follow his commands.  But the distinction here is first that his grace is extended to people, not corporations; and secondly, as heads of our families we have a vested interest in obeying the word of God to bring blessings upon our family, corporations do not.</p>
<p>I hope that helps.  I think you’ll find more in the remaining posts as well.</p>
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		<title>By: randallgerard</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1843</link>
		<author>randallgerard</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-1843</guid>
		<description>Hi Paul,

I'm looking forward to reading the whole series, but know I'm getting on board a little late.  I hope you actually see this, because I have some questions.  While I agree that incorporating in order to avoid personal liability and reap insider rewards from the government is an unbiblical innovation of modern times, who or what is going to restrain 'godly patriarchs' in your alternative economy?  I'm just trying to understand how excesses and tyrannies at home will be addressed under a local agrarian economic system.  How do we keep from becoming a society where 'every man does what is right in his own eyes'; a society that typified old Israel in the days of the judges? 

Thanks,
randallgerard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to reading the whole series, but know I&#8217;m getting on board a little late.  I hope you actually see this, because I have some questions.  While I agree that incorporating in order to avoid personal liability and reap insider rewards from the government is an unbiblical innovation of modern times, who or what is going to restrain &#8216;godly patriarchs&#8217; in your alternative economy?  I&#8217;m just trying to understand how excesses and tyrannies at home will be addressed under a local agrarian economic system.  How do we keep from becoming a society where &#8216;every man does what is right in his own eyes&#8217;; a society that typified old Israel in the days of the judges? </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
randallgerard</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Evan Murch</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-206</link>
		<author>Bruce Evan Murch</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-206</guid>
		<description>Hello, Paul.

Excellent posts with which I agree almost entirely. But I want to address a bit of a compromise you are willing to make.

You wrote:
"However, I can think of two semi legitimate arguments that could be made. One may be the role of a spoiler, or a spy in a large corporation. The second is to participate in a small corporation that understands these principles and is building an organization to change the model we operate under. A reforming corporation for lack of a better term."

If a corporation "doesn't have a soul to damn or a butt to kick" how in the world can it "reform" or "understand" ANYTHING?

The problem is that, as you also pointed out, a corporation is only as good as the men (and unfortunately women) who run it. Fifty-two of the first 56 colleges in the U.S. were founded as Bible schools and seminaries, including Yale, Harvard and the other Ivy League schools. These entities all had a godly purpose, but the purpose of an institution, especially a corporation, changes with its leadership or board membership.

So far, we have avoided incorporation of our family business. I did not get my nine children Social Security numbers. When I made that decision 25 years ago, you could still open a bank account and an employer could still hire you without one, with no trouble. Of my five children that have reached working age, two of them have decided to get their SS#. They have come to the realization that they would have to be utterly dependent on someone who HAS one to function in society, earn a living for his family, etc.

So there is the rub. We agree on the evil. We agree on the principle. The problem is figuring out how to function in this corporate climate without becoming voluntary paupers without violating deeply held principles.

Personally, I still can't see how to do it, and I've been since about 1980.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Paul.</p>
<p>Excellent posts with which I agree almost entirely. But I want to address a bit of a compromise you are willing to make.</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;However, I can think of two semi legitimate arguments that could be made. One may be the role of a spoiler, or a spy in a large corporation. The second is to participate in a small corporation that understands these principles and is building an organization to change the model we operate under. A reforming corporation for lack of a better term.&#8221;</p>
<p>If a corporation &#8220;doesn&#8217;t have a soul to damn or a butt to kick&#8221; how in the world can it &#8220;reform&#8221; or &#8220;understand&#8221; ANYTHING?</p>
<p>The problem is that, as you also pointed out, a corporation is only as good as the men (and unfortunately women) who run it. Fifty-two of the first 56 colleges in the U.S. were founded as Bible schools and seminaries, including Yale, Harvard and the other Ivy League schools. These entities all had a godly purpose, but the purpose of an institution, especially a corporation, changes with its leadership or board membership.</p>
<p>So far, we have avoided incorporation of our family business. I did not get my nine children Social Security numbers. When I made that decision 25 years ago, you could still open a bank account and an employer could still hire you without one, with no trouble. Of my five children that have reached working age, two of them have decided to get their SS#. They have come to the realization that they would have to be utterly dependent on someone who HAS one to function in society, earn a living for his family, etc.</p>
<p>So there is the rub. We agree on the evil. We agree on the principle. The problem is figuring out how to function in this corporate climate without becoming voluntary paupers without violating deeply held principles.</p>
<p>Personally, I still can&#8217;t see how to do it, and I&#8217;ve been since about 1980.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul R. Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-205</link>
		<author>Paul R. Vaughn</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

I appreciate your comment and understand the challenges as we live in this industrial world.

My wife has done a great job of "beating them at their own game" if you will. If you are interested she has made some great posts on the subject on here blog:

http://www.birthdynamics.com/blog/

She is also currently working on a book called "The Homemakers Guide to Extreme Grocery Shopping". We are transitioning away from the normal grocery store dependency and are excited about the potential of eating our own food all the time.

We are still a long ways off from complete independence, but there is something special the first time you sit down to a meal and realize that everything on the table came from your land. (or perhaps a neighbor if you trade)

The irony is, this use to be the norm for most of the population. Today it is a strange thing indeed if anyone eats food from their own land. My wife also has some pixs of our future meals as we are raising 50 chickens currently as part of this process.

I do differ with you on the end times. I hope to post one day on this soon. The view you have laid out is the view I was taught growing up. But it has a very recent history in Christendom. Until the late 1700s most of Christendom believed that Christ was coming back for a spotless bride and that he was not coming back until Psalm 110 (The most quoted old testament passage in the new testament- 14 times) was fulfilled.

Like I said I do hope to post on this more later. It makes for a great study. A good introductory study on this is a book called, "A Conquering Faith", by William O. Einwechter.

Thanks again for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment and understand the challenges as we live in this industrial world.</p>
<p>My wife has done a great job of &#8220;beating them at their own game&#8221; if you will. If you are interested she has made some great posts on the subject on here blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.birthdynamics.com/blog/" >http://www.birthdynamics.com/blog/</a></p>
<p>She is also currently working on a book called &#8220;The Homemakers Guide to Extreme Grocery Shopping&#8221;. We are transitioning away from the normal grocery store dependency and are excited about the potential of eating our own food all the time.</p>
<p>We are still a long ways off from complete independence, but there is something special the first time you sit down to a meal and realize that everything on the table came from your land. (or perhaps a neighbor if you trade)</p>
<p>The irony is, this use to be the norm for most of the population. Today it is a strange thing indeed if anyone eats food from their own land. My wife also has some pixs of our future meals as we are raising 50 chickens currently as part of this process.</p>
<p>I do differ with you on the end times. I hope to post one day on this soon. The view you have laid out is the view I was taught growing up. But it has a very recent history in Christendom. Until the late 1700s most of Christendom believed that Christ was coming back for a spotless bride and that he was not coming back until Psalm 110 (The most quoted old testament passage in the new testament- 14 times) was fulfilled.</p>
<p>Like I said I do hope to post on this more later. It makes for a great study. A good introductory study on this is a book called, &#8220;A Conquering Faith&#8221;, by William O. Einwechter.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-204</link>
		<author>Lisa</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must comment, albeit a little late as this is October, on the Wal-Mart posts. I agree with most everything you've discussed. The major problem is...most people cannot afford to simply go to the next store which has the HIGHER prices to do their shopping, myself included. We are a single income, 5 children, Christian, homeschooling family of 7. It is harmful to MY budget to go to another store simply to "hurt" Wal-Mart. They will not miss my xxx dollars because not very many people are going to change their shopping habits because of the reasons stated. Yes, I agree that they have the monopoly. They basically can just call the shots. But there's very little that we as basic, middle income familes can do to stop it. Not to mention the extremely low income and the non-english speaking populations.

Very similar to the Christian society today. We have let, and let, and let (in other words "allowed") until now we are rediculed, mocked, scorned, and bascially unbelieved. "Well! If THAT'S what a Christian is(or if that's how a Christian acts) then I don't want anything to do with it. Or:"Well what makes them any better than me?". Or:"Well, we need to be TOLERANT of others". You have the few Bible believing, Bible teaching, Holy Spirit-lead churches but they aren't changing much with the overall moral picture of Christianity in America today. People are too full of themselves to deny themselves and REALLY follow Christ. BUT, Christ said that things would wax worse and worse. Many are calling for a great revival, but Jesus mentions nothing about a revival in the last days. He said everything would only worsen and we are to lift up our heads, for our redemption draweth nigh.

Thank you for your blog/site.It is very encouraging and insightful. I look forward to the posts!

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must comment, albeit a little late as this is October, on the Wal-Mart posts. I agree with most everything you&#8217;ve discussed. The major problem is&#8230;most people cannot afford to simply go to the next store which has the HIGHER prices to do their shopping, myself included. We are a single income, 5 children, Christian, homeschooling family of 7. It is harmful to MY budget to go to another store simply to &#8220;hurt&#8221; Wal-Mart. They will not miss my xxx dollars because not very many people are going to change their shopping habits because of the reasons stated. Yes, I agree that they have the monopoly. They basically can just call the shots. But there&#8217;s very little that we as basic, middle income familes can do to stop it. Not to mention the extremely low income and the non-english speaking populations.</p>
<p>Very similar to the Christian society today. We have let, and let, and let (in other words &#8220;allowed&#8221;) until now we are rediculed, mocked, scorned, and bascially unbelieved. &#8220;Well! If THAT&#8217;S what a Christian is(or if that&#8217;s how a Christian acts) then I don&#8217;t want anything to do with it. Or:&#8221;Well what makes them any better than me?&#8221;. Or:&#8221;Well, we need to be TOLERANT of others&#8221;. You have the few Bible believing, Bible teaching, Holy Spirit-lead churches but they aren&#8217;t changing much with the overall moral picture of Christianity in America today. People are too full of themselves to deny themselves and REALLY follow Christ. BUT, Christ said that things would wax worse and worse. Many are calling for a great revival, but Jesus mentions nothing about a revival in the last days. He said everything would only worsen and we are to lift up our heads, for our redemption draweth nigh.</p>
<p>Thank you for your blog/site.It is very encouraging and insightful. I look forward to the posts!</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah Project &#187; Is Walmart Evil? - Part II Corporations Continued</title>
		<link>http://vaughnshire.com/2006/09/05/is-walmart-evil-part-1-corporations-2/#comment-203</link>
		<author>Josiah Project &#187; Is Walmart Evil? - Part II Corporations Continued</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 03:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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